--- Log opened jue jul 14 00:00:11 2022 13:44 < fikabot_> 💬 More known people, funny 15:38 < fikabot_> 💬 > <@hansw:matrix.org> More known people, funny 15:38 < fikabot_> 💬 15:39 < fikabot_> 💬 Yay! 16:41 < fikabot_> 💬 Friendica is trending, baby! 💜 16:53 < fikabot_> 💬 I posted a link to this in the three main forum groups because I wasn't sure how many people knew about it. I know some did because I've seen them here before but figured couldn't hurt to boost the profile again in those venues 16:54 < fikabot_> 💬 I stopped using friendica b.t.w. but I do keep an eye on it. At this moment I am very happy with Hubzilla. 16:55 < fikabot_> 💬 Could you perhaps share your experience with Hubzilla and how it fits better your use case? I'm always interested in hearing comparisons of Friendica vs. Hubzilla as they are hard to find. 17:01 < fikabot_> 💬 bkil: sure, happy to do that. 17:01 < fikabot_> 💬 17:01 < fikabot_> 💬 I started out on a public Hubzilla instance. Was happy with it but started missing some things (lack of knowledge was the problem in the end) and switched to some other ones. Started to install hubzilla and it was a cpu hog on my raspberry. Used apache in that case b.t.w. 17:02 < fikabot_> 💬 Installed Friendica and more or less ran into simular problems. This mad me switch back to Hubzilla but then served using php_fpm and nginx. This brought down the load a lot and made it workable 17:02 < fikabot_> 💬 I still would need to do a simular test with Friendica but I am very happy with my setup now 17:03 < fikabot_> 💬 And Hubzilla does allow me to filter a lot. I will not see any forwarded memes and can finetune users to only read their posts if it does not match a filter or if it does match a filter. 17:03 < fikabot_> 💬 The only thing, imho, that lacks on a lot of fediverse platforms is good documentation 17:17 < fikabot_> 💬 But anyway. Most of it might also include a feeling one has with a platform. 17:26 < fikabot_> 💬 That is why I also started to gather and write info about how to tune it. Info I was not able to find online or in manuals. 17:26 < fikabot_> 💬 https://federate.hopto.org/wiki/hans/Hubzilla(20)tips/Home 17:40 < fikabot_> 💬 Are you running on a microSD card? Any database based service will run pretty slow in general, and a social networking service like these usually has to do a bunch of lookups. Using an SSD over a USB3->SATA adapter might be a good idea. 17:41 < fikabot_> 💬 I have an ssd attached to it :-) 17:41 < fikabot_> 💬 And yes, using the usb3 port to sata 17:42 < fikabot_> 💬 logfiles, site data like pictures, the database, it is all using the ssd 17:42 < fikabot_> 💬 Is this a Raspberry Pi 4 4GB? 17:42 < fikabot_> 💬 2 GB 17:43 < fikabot_> 💬 But the load is mostly beneath 1. 17:43 < fikabot_> 💬 So wait on io and cpu is mostly acceptible 17:45 < fikabot_> 💬 On a 4-core device, a load below 4 is considered "idle". 17:46 < fikabot_> 💬 Some might think that way :-) 17:47 < fikabot_> 💬 The hub I am running only has one user, me 17:47 < fikabot_> 💬 The scheduler sure does. 17:47 < fikabot_> 💬 By the way, Friendica also has post filters and an advanced filter. 17:48 < fikabot_> 💬 https://github.com/friendica/friendica-addons/tree/develop/advancedcontentfilter 17:49 < fikabot_> 💬 That is nice. Always good to know. 17:52 < fikabot_> 💬 What shedular where you talking about? 17:52 < fikabot_> 💬 noop? 17:59 < fikabot_> 💬 And you would probably also see a similar improvement if you set up fastcgi with Apache2. nginx is lighter and more performance, but not _that_ much, especially with light load. 18:00 < fikabot_> 💬 And you would probably also see a similar improvement if you set up fastcgi with Apache2. nginx is lighter and more performant, but not _that_ much, especially with light load. 18:00 < fikabot_> 💬 Probably. Never used it in Apache 18:01 < fikabot_> 💬 But I hope you agree this kind of information should be available when installing a social platform. 18:02 < fikabot_> 💬 Same for Hubzilla 18:11 < fikabot_> 💬 Anyway, there is a reason why I still follow Friendica too. :-) 18:35 < fikabot_> 💬 Well, it is mentioned here: https://github.com/friendica/friendica/blob/05a76a3dc2fd313e660752a7eb139ec2fb3a6667/doc/Improve-Performance.md#user-content-fcgi 18:36 < fikabot_> 💬 I agree that people should probably include it in their default install, but I guess they want to make the installation as easy as possible. 18:37 < fikabot_> 💬 https://github.com/friendica/friendica/blob/05a76a3dc2fd313e660752a7eb139ec2fb3a6667/doc/Install.md 18:37 < fikabot_> 💬 18:37 < fikabot_> 💬 It is not mentioned there indeed, and that is where they start reading 18:37 < fikabot_> 💬 when you are lucky 18:38 < fikabot_> 💬 Yes, but the longer the install.md, the less people who succeed and give it at least a test spin. 18:38 < fikabot_> 💬 I know it is a reason, or if they want to use something like yunohost 18:43 < fikabot_> 💬 Well, the yunohost recipe should already contain such tweaks, as that would be a single-click installation method from the perspective of the user. 18:44 < fikabot_> 💬 By the way, what is your experience with single-click app installer support for Friendica and Hubzilla? 18:45 < fikabot_> 💬 https://github.com/bkil/freedom-fighters/blob/master/hu/server/palette-installer.md 18:45 < fikabot_> 💬 my experience on that is none. I've always hosted based on default solutions. 18:46 < fikabot_> 💬 I did host a lot, e-learning, fin-tech, etc... 18:46 < fikabot_> 💬 round robins 18:46 < fikabot_> 💬 dns 18:46 < fikabot_> 💬 ..... 18:46 < fikabot_> 💬 rbls 18:47 < fikabot_> 💬 Een wrote rbl software, together with some others 18:52 < fikabot_> 💬 s/een/even/ 19:01 < fikabot_> 💬 What service palette do you think an operator would need to host for their friends & family to make it competitive with the Big Oil players (assuming all your users are willing and cooperative)? 19:02 < fikabot_> 💬 hosting for family and friends should not be considered. They want you to host it since they somehow trust you. In that case you should decide so it comes to what software choice you will make. 19:06 < fikabot_> 💬 I think we failed to parse a few sentences from each other. 🙊 19:06 < fikabot_> 💬 We might :-) 19:06 < fikabot_> 💬 But basically I asked the same thing: _which_ would be the software that you host and in what combination? 19:07 < fikabot_> 💬 That's what I call a "palette", and that's what I list within the linked note. 19:09 < fikabot_> 💬 I would host almost nothing to be honest. But you should know my history to undrstand. I would host software my friends would need to host. 19:09 < fikabot_> 💬 Damn, typos 19:09 < fikabot_> 💬 I need some sleep, maybe next time :-) 19:13 < fikabot_> 💬 Okay, well, I guess you could elaborate tomorrow. I believe that you are able to host anything at all - the question is if somebody other than you would like to host a palette, what should be the least amount of components to suit the needs of normal people? 22:10 < fikabot_> 💬 Having a bit of a quandary on how to get these add on settings to get picked up in the add ons. Even brute forcing it into the database and rebooting the whole computer didn't cut it. https://friendica.myportal.social/display/e65e1095-1662-d0ba-fdb3-ccb205423013 --- Log opened jue jul 14 23:42:41 2022 23:42 -!- Irssi: #friendica: Total of 8 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 8 normal] 23:42 -!- Irssi: Join to #friendica was synced in 15 secs --- Log closed jue jul 14 23:55:32 2022